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what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 12:54:59 AM
heey guys,

i'm not sure on how to proceed with my turbo setup.
everything is complete and running, but i'm not happy about the apexi safc neo controlling my fueling...

what do you guys recommend to use as ecu / management?

any tips on use of timing setting / injectors / fuelpressure?

currently im running ga16 black injectors, installing a d2 FPR soon if needed.

thanx allot!!

greetings Ken
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 01:09:59 AM
the fueling is the easy bit ken, its the spark map that killed my engines before the nistune was fitted, you can see how different the maps are in this thread http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/apexi-s-afc.56206/
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 05:42:27 AM
oh wow thats some serious difference!

so you would recommend a nistune board over a emanage, ems computer or something like that?

should the ga16 injectors with a decent fuel pressure be sufficient? or am i better of with going for a cga topfeed rails and some bigger injectors.


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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 05:53:26 AM
emanage would probably be cheaper and easier to source eh ken, a pre-installed nistune is plug-n-play tho :) mine is still running on the basemap that Ed (fusion) installed 20 months ago.
and the GA16 injectors will limit how much boost you run
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 05:51:29 PM
aah i see!
so a nistune board sounds very promissing.. i better try to get in contact with Ed then on how to go about it.

might i ask what you did with injectors and fuel pressure etc?

mine is set to 0.5 bar boost but because i have to overhaul the entire thing i really want to have it sorted properly this time.

thanx!!
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 06:23:12 PM
mine has always run the SR20 grey topfeeds ken (there are v/w audi 300cc ones that are the same too) with the stock regulator and pump
the wiring/connectors fit on upside down ok :)

 

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 06:30:02 PM
you can see from this dyno run that the stock fuelpump and pressure were giving a/f/r,s of less than 10:1 throughout, and a big column of black smoke from the exhaust, the a/f/r readings were bumping along the bottom of the graph !
(this was before the nistune was fitted)
 

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 07:52:15 PM
thank you frank, very comforting to know what is working good in your case.

so i am probably best of looking for a cga3 inlet manifold and rails (rails doesnt fit the cg13 manifold right?) and some sr20 injectors.

might be some noob questions for someone that allready turbo'd his micra but i really don't want to mess up another engine hahah

wanted list: cg manifold, topfeed rails, sr20 topfeed injectors, nistune board (4?)
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Thu 24 Apr 2014 10:17:55 PM
I'll let you know about cga rail, although I'm sure frank will let us know how's to fit it to cg13
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Fri 25 Apr 2014 12:57:54 AM
KenSuperS WROTE:

"thank you frank, very comforting to know what is working good in your case.



so i am probably best of looking for a cga3 inlet manifold and rails (rails doesnt fit the cg13 manifold right?) and some sr20 injectors.



might be some noob questions for someone that allready turbo'd his micra but i really don't want to mess up another engine hahah



wanted list: cg manifold, topfeed rails, sr20 topfeed injectors, nistune board (4?)"


the rail fits ok mate, you need some collars on the bottom of the injectors on the pre-coilpack mani tho (i used some bits of tube from the sunroof drainpipes)
the rail hits the idle control valve tho, my i/c/v was binned long ago,
and yes mine was a type 4 iirc

 

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Fri 25 Apr 2014 01:14:51 AM
Ahhh i see, thnx for taking the time to show me this Frank. really helpfull..

i just got message that there are 2 dutch companies that can supply nistune boards so i'll soon contact them and Ed to see what they can do for me..

grtz

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Fri 25 Apr 2014 01:46:59 AM
He thinks there is noone with enough knowledge on the Dutch forums :P :P
JK I ussually bother Frank to when i don't know something :D
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Fri 25 Apr 2014 07:46:15 AM
and another Dutchman :P
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Fri 09 May 2014 09:03:31 PM
hello guys,

it seems that the european SR20 has sidefeed injectors and only the SR20det uses topfeed.

does anyone has a nice (custom) fuelrail with big injectors for me to buy/use?
or a different idea on what i could use best?

i've got message from skye-engineering in holland that they can supply nistune type4 boards and with building in and mapping on dyno would cost about 700euro's. very nicely priced i believe!!
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Sat 10 May 2014 04:47:42 AM
you have to use the post 2000 SR20 injectors ken, the CG, QG and SR all changed to the bosch plastic topfeeds in 2000 (part number 0280 150 ---, or 0280 155 --- or 0280 156 ---)
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Sat 10 May 2014 05:22:37 AM
these are the blue coilpack CG ones :)
 

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Sun 11 May 2014 01:15:32 AM
ahhhhh i see!!

thanks again frank, i'll be searching for those then
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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

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Re: what ECU / management for turbo micra?

Sun 11 May 2014 06:59:52 PM
ev1 and ev6 type i think thieme, i think the 1 type are slightly longer tho (so longer bolts needed for the rail)