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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since:  Posts:  |
WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 01 Mar 2011 04:09:37 PM |
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Hi does anyone have a set of high compression pistons laying around or any suggestions?
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 01 Mar 2011 06:25:59 PM |
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cg10 ftmofow :)
mine has cg10,s in and a better inlet cam, and is somewhat quicker than my old (16.0 sec 1/4 mile) blue car they give you nearly 12:1 c/r apparently http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/43041-Hi-K11-gurus.-i-have-cg-cga-questions but you need to "press" the wrist pins out tho eh |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 01 Mar 2011 10:33:09 PM |
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So you are saying cg10 pistons give much hight compression than the cg13. I always thought they have different bore..
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sikK11 » CMF Member Darwin Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Wed 02 Mar 2011 11:57:25 AM |
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Cheap easy option Dave but a set if cg10 pistons and rings bolt them in. Sat high to 12:1 comp ratio.
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Wed 02 Mar 2011 06:54:06 PM |
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Cool..
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Eire » CMF Member Ireland Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Thu 03 Mar 2011 01:52:49 AM |
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Ive some if your interested mate?
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Thu 03 Mar 2011 08:29:36 AM |
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pm sent
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Fri 04 Mar 2011 04:37:15 PM |
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frank2 WROTE: "cg10 ftmofow :) mine has cg10,s in and a better inlet cam, and is somewhat quicker than my old (16.0 sec 1/4 mile) blue car they give you nearly 12:1 c/r apparently http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/43041-Hi-K11-gurus.-i-have-cg-cga-questions but you need to "press" the wrist pins out tho eh " Frank you using cg10 pistons and rods or just cg10 piston? |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Fri 04 Mar 2011 07:18:50 PM |
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just the pistons mycra, the 1.0 rods are waaay too long :)
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 12:21:25 AM |
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frank2 WROTE: "just the pistons mycra, the 1.0 rods are waaay too long :)" understood, setup like this combined with aggressive moderate-work..can run off factory ecu? |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 12:47:35 AM |
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mycra WROTE: understood, setup like this combined with aggressive moderate-work..can run off factory ecu?" seems ok mate, but i,ll have some dyno results and a/f/r,s tomorrow :) (1.0 pistons, 260deg/10mm inlet cam and subtle exhaust mods) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 02:41:32 PM |
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Cool cool man.
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 02:42:42 PM |
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Cool cool man.
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 02:42:56 PM |
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Cool cool man.
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sikK11 » CMF Member Darwin Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 03:22:31 PM |
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Whoa calm down son LOL
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 05 Mar 2011 05:14:37 PM |
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yeah stupid iphone man its shit...lol
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 06 Mar 2011 03:53:09 AM |
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well i,m chuffed with the 80 wheel hp and 115 nm, but the 12 hp transmission losses seem a bit slight ?
the piggyback 2 nd coolant temp sensor gave a nice a/f/r graph tho eh :) (a nice steady 13:1 fuelling on the 1st run) more spark retard was added on the 3rd run, which lifted the hp |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 06 Mar 2011 03:11:31 PM |
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Nice frank you was this just cg10 pistons? Any headwork? |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 06 Mar 2011 04:25:25 PM |
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its with just the pistons and a 260 deg/10 mm lift inlet cam and one of my opened up exhaust mani,s mycra,
but it does show that you can get the fuelling bang-on without having to fork out for a nistune board and remap eh :) i,m gonna try a gutted 1st cat and a better exhaust system and some superunleaded at the next 1/4 mile day :) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 06 Mar 2011 05:41:05 PM |
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that arent too bad at all...what piggy back are u using?
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 06 Mar 2011 09:04:36 PM |
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mycra WROTE: "that arent too bad at all...what piggy back are u using?" lol mycra :) its just a 2nd coolant temp sensor mounted inside the cabin that can be substituted for the hot coolant sensor that is fitted in the cylinder head so the ecu thinks that the engine is still cold when the colder c/t/s is signaling it (and the injectors fuel as if "in cold start" 13:1 afr) the only drawback is when you hit the throttle it hesitates (see the 9:1 mad rich dip at the start of the graph where the engine hesitates for a second) so i have to fit a switch to that cold sensor that only operates it at full throttle, to avoid the hesitation |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 11:58:54 AM |
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mm smart
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 12:02:36 PM |
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so pretty much you took the coolent sensor off the head, block it. then mount it inside the cabin and run a switch only to operate at high revs. correct?
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 12:08:01 PM |
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mycra WROTE: "so pretty much you took the coolent sensor off the head, block it. then mount it inside the cabin and run a switch only to operate at high revs. correct?" no i use both sensors mate, and switch to the cold one when needed (ie, full throttle) :) the cam and pistons give plenty of grunt eh, 100+ nm all the way from 3k rpm or before |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 01:03:53 PM |
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so coolent temp info is collected from both sensors combined? or are both giving the ecu the same reading?
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 06:08:51 PM |
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EITHER one or the other sensor is switched dude (ie the hot one is used most of the time, and the cold one is used only for the last 10mm of throttle pedal)
you can see from the zig-zag lines on the other 2 runs that the ecu is trying to hold the afrs in closed loop (even at full throttle) tho it wanders very lean @ 5k rpm eh (apparently the maps only extend to about 5k, then they interpolate or something ?) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 07 Mar 2011 10:40:54 PM |
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Frank can you post a picture of the hot and cold sensors :( ?
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 08 Mar 2011 03:06:41 AM |
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mycra WROTE: "Frank can you post a picture of the hot and cold sensors :( ? " there,s a pic of the head one here mate http://www.micra.com.au/community/message.php?messageid=51788 and the cold one is the same part/sensor, but its not being heated by the engine obviously :) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 08 Mar 2011 09:47:43 AM |
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haha il have a go at it once mine is all assembled up frank :) cheers
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 08 Mar 2011 10:10:36 AM |
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mycra WROTE: "haha il have a go at it once mine is all assembled up frank :) cheers" np mycra :) you can leave the cold sensor switched in/on actually (it just shortens the coldstart enrichment time, ie, closed loop will kick in after 1/2 a mile in the morning instead of 1 mile) but when you disconnect/switch off the hot sensor and then hit the throttle, thats when the afr goes to 13:1 (and when you back off to cruise, it runs closed loop as normal) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 08 Mar 2011 12:41:12 PM |
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ok so switch off to run 13:1 @ high revs.. off for normal...
and do you wire and isolate both wires or just the one? :) |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Tue 08 Mar 2011 06:30:52 PM |
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you can run them both together mate, and disconnect the hot one with a "push to break" switch in one of its wires (mine,s on the gearknob atm)
and here,s a GA16 printout from the same group dyno day he got an estimated 19 extra hp for transmission losses (taking him from 69whp to 88bhp) but i was given only 12 hp for some reason (from 80whp to 92bhp) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Wed 09 Mar 2011 10:31:38 AM |
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yeah finished the motor today... not the power i expected .. :(
gonna give the sensors a go :) oh say picture your current motor... if you were running cg13 bottom but worked head what fuel pressor do you recommend? |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Thu 10 Mar 2011 06:43:26 PM |
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mycra WROTE: "yeah finished the motor today... not the power i expected .. :( gonna give the sensors a go :) oh say picture your current motor... if you were running cg13 bottom but worked head what fuel pressor do you recommend? " i dont think fuel pressure will have any effect mycra, you can see on my printout that k11,s run in closed loop all the time (the sqiggly torque and hp lines on those 2 runs correspond with the squiggly fuel ratio lines, and the power drops off when if drops to 17:1 afr) where,as on the GA16 graph the ecu ran open loop and held the afr to a dead straight 14:1 mixture, and if he ran a bit more fuel pressure it should improve it to a perfect 13:1, we dont have that option eh :( you guys with no-nats ecu,s should be running with GA16 ecu,s i reckon :) |
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mycra » CMF Member melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sat 19 Mar 2011 08:00:55 PM |
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GA16 ecu do they plug straight in? guess not.....
also i feel dump for asking but whats the difference between closed loop and open loop? is that to do with ecu mapping the af via the oxy sensor?? |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Sun 20 Mar 2011 09:31:35 AM |
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the non nats GA ecu is plug and play i believe mycra
http://www.micra.com.au/community/message.php?messageid=12198 http://www.micra.com.au/community/message.php?messageid=20582 and k11,s run closed loop in entirety apparently (lambda controlled a/f/r,s) ie, they have no acceleration enrichment eh |
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SSUK » CMF Member London United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 21 Mar 2011 05:52:40 AM |
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frank2 WROTE: "and k11,s run closed loop in entirety apparently (lambda controlled a/f/r,s) ie, they have no acceleration enrichment eh " They do have acceleration enrichment.... |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 21 Mar 2011 06:00:02 AM |
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SSUK WROTE: They do have acceleration enrichment...." well here,s a quote from your friend ED (fusion) :) "the OEM map of the K11 is closed loop through its entirety". |
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SSUK » CMF Member London United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 21 Mar 2011 09:23:46 AM |
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frank2 WROTE: " SSUK WROTE: They do have acceleration enrichment...." well here,s a quote from your friend ED (fusion) :) "the OEM map of the K11 is closed loop through its entirety"." That's true but it's still got acceleration enrichment. |
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frank2 » CMF Member birmingham United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 21 Mar 2011 09:37:54 AM |
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SSUK WROTE: That's true but it's still got acceleration enrichment." well thats not evident on my dyno printout (acceleration enleanment more like) |
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SSUK » CMF Member London United Kingdom Member since: Posts: |
Re: WTB or Suggestion: High Compression Pistons |
Mon 21 Mar 2011 09:48:06 AM |
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The K11 ecu isn't capable to handle much beyond stock on it's own, this has been proven countless times.
I can assure you the K11 ecu does have acceleration enrichment, and plenty of other things which are able to be optimised. Accel enrichment settings were modified heavily when my car was re-mapped, as they were far from optimal with the setup I was running at the time, e.g. larger injectors for one. |
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